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For
independent filmmakers, George A. Romero is one of the great
culture heroes. Back in the 1960s, this Pittsburgh resident
(he went from NYC to Carnegie Mellon U.) reared himself up and
decided he was going to make movies with no studio
connections, film school education, or even a New York based
advertising career. He just jury-rigged a crew, a cast, and
sets found throughout the Pittsburgh environs and made his
cheap genre film, "Night of The Living Dead." That
film not only became a cult classic but it kick-started the
zombie phenomenon and influenced every generation of
filmmakers since, whether in the horror realm or beyond.
From that historical moment, Romero has,
throughout the years, remained relevant, updating his mythos
to suit the times. He has made several films,
such as "Dawn of the Dead," that are almost equally
as hailed as his debut release. Beyond that, he has made some
other quirky but memorable low-budget fan favorites, such as
"Martin" (about a vampire wanna-be).
At this year's Sundance Film festival,
Romero premiered his further examination of this mythos in the
midnight program. Through the eyes of a more contemporary
context of "gonzo," dedicated DIY students capture
the zombie infection, as if it had happened in our time rather
than the 60s. So in rewinding back to the events of that
seminal 1968 release, Romero re-imagines the night the zombies
first arose, as witnessed by a group of student filmmakers
caught up in the horror itself.
W.O.F.:
What made you decide to
revisit your mythology in this way—to modernize it, to
rethink the material? Were there things you wanted to address
because there was an opportunity to do that?
GEORGE ROMERO: Well, it wasn't so
much that. There were a whole bunch of reasons. I had done
"Land Of The Dead." I liked it well enough, but it
seemed that it had lost touch with its roots. It seemed that
it was approaching "Thunderdome," and I thought,
"Wow, this isn't where we started," and I just saw
it having to get bigger later on.
Even though Universal basically allowed
me to make that film the way that I wanted to make it, it was
grueling and difficult, and I never thought that it should be
going in that direction. All the zombie films that I have made
have grown out of my observations of what is going on out in
the world at the time, and I had this sense that I wanted to
do something about this emerging media, this octopus called
the "blogosphere"—which to me is full of dangers,
wherein any lunatic can post anything.
If Hitler was around now, he wouldn't
have to go into the town square, he would just throw up a blog.
If Jim Jones were here now, all of a sudden there would be a
million people drinking Kool-Aid. So, that struck me as
dangerous. And also this obsession that everyone is a
reporter, you know? I mean, yeah, there's a
terrible tornado out there in Tennessee, and be careful folks,
but go out there and get us some footage [laughs]!
It just struck me that we're living in
this age of constant media, and that anyone like Joe Blow in
Oshkosh can write whatever. I mean, people who listen to Rush
Limbaugh already know what he's going to say and already
agree. So, I think that the existence of these blogs is
creating more tribalism than anything else.
W.O.F.:
Is that the reason why you
now use the video footage to suggest the presence of the
zombies instead of having the hundreds of zombies like you've
had in the past? Instead of casting extras to play them, the
video footage is used to suggest the number of zombies.
GEORGE ROMERO: I wasn't trying
necessarily to suggest size. I used video footage from the
last 10 years, using images from Getty Images and some of
Hurricane Katrina here and there. I really did that to give
the sense of media, that we're all looking through this glass
and have been for years. So, the guy in the film is obsessed
with it to the point of forgetting about his own survival,
misguidedly thinking that he can be of some help, and just
shooting footage. Whatever drives him initially, I think he's
wrong.
I always like to use twists and ironies
like that. It is a journalist's job to just report and not get
involved and not help. But who's gonna sit around and watch
little Afghan kids getting shot? It's a real dichotomy. And I
don't know, man, was it better when there were only three
television networks? I mean, at least the stuff was being
managed, bent a little maybe, and spun to an extent. The
audience should take some responsibility, too. People are more
than willing to look up from their beers and say, "Yeah,
I'll hear what he has to say."
W.O.F.: Where do you
see yourself in today's cinematic landscape? Are you worried
about staying relevant?
GEORGE
ROMERO: You know, I've never particularly worried about
that. In the very beginning I did. When people were initially
writing about "Night Of The Living Dead" and calling
it "essential American cinema," and how political it
was—I mean, that was all by accident. We had cast a black
actor in the lead of that film, never having been fully aware
of the implications of that.
In those days, the news was all shot on
film, they didn't use videotape. So, there were film labs in
cities the size of Pittsburgh and we had just finished the
film. We had an answer print, threw it in the car and drove it
to New York to see if anyone would want to show it. And that
night in the car we heard on the radio that [Martin Luther
King, Jr.] had been killed. Now, all of a sudden the whole
ending of "Night Of The Living Dead" takes on so
much more resonance because of that.
I believe that we received a lot of undue
credit, due to the fact that the black guy gets shot at the
end of the film. That was written in the script long before
the character was ever cast, be it a white actor or black
actor. It was only the last few minutes of that film that we
wanted it to look like newsreels. We were all '60s people and
we were angry that peace and love didn't work. And the world
looked like it was in a little worse shape: the Vietnam War,
the riots in the streets, the frustration, etc. I just wanted
the end of that film to look like newsreel footage.
W.O.F.: What about
Diary? You used the handheld camera a lot, and the subject
matter of the blogosphere wasn't that relevant just a few
years ago…
GEORGE ROMERO: Oh, yeah, I know.
I've always liked to comment on the times. I think that films
are snapshots of the time in which they are made. I like the
idea that if you watch my films in the order in which they
were made, they sort of chronicle the feelings and ideas of
the times. I like that, and I am proud of that, to be able to
do that working inside a genre that is considered to be
frivolous. I hate pitching these ideas because I am always
asked, "Well, where's the story?" I
mean, you can put 50 stories on this one theme. The whole
movie is about mistrust, and you go from there.
W.O.F.: What about
aesthetically, in the way you shoot...?
GEORGE ROMERO: With
"Diary," as far as the hand-held stuff is concerned,
that was the only way to go. It is essentially about everyone
becoming reporters. With movies like [Brian De Palma's]
"Redacted" and others like "Cloverfield"
and a few others that are out there, everyone seems to be
aware of the camera upon us. "I am a camera," you
know?
W.O.F.: But, on
another level, you're going from being timely to… You're
also classic with that zombie mythos that is apparent in every
movie it seems like, from "I Am Legend" on back.
GEORGE ROMERO: Well, I ripped off
the first idea of dead coming back to life from "I Am
Legend" when I did "Night Of The Living Dead."
W.O.F.: We'll call
Richard Matheson up and tell him [laughs].
GEORGE ROMERO: Oh, I've told him.
He knows! [laughs] He also knows that I never made any money
from it—otherwise, he said "I'd be after your
ass!" [laughing]
W.O.F.: I read "I
Am Legend" years ago.
GEORGE ROMERO: Well, we're all
just parasites. We're all taking ideas off of others. [laughs]
I can't believe that I created some new—I didn't call them
zombies in the original film, you know? I didn't even think of
calling them zombies. Back then, zombies were those guys in
the Caribbean doing wetwork, so I called them flesh eaters or
ghouls, or whatever. And it's only after people started to
write about the film that they were referred to as zombies,
and I thought, well, maybe they are! I don't
know. I guess that I created the dead neighbor. [laughs]
W.O.F.:
You've modernized all of
that. What do you think of the classic horror experience?
That's one of the things that makes "Diary"
work—you still know about creating fear and terror.
GEORGE ROMERO: I love the gothic.
I love old movies, period. I'm an old guy. I'm still very
old-fashioned in my tastes and techniques—not only in
horror, but in other kinds of films. I go to see a movie like
"Atonement" and you know, it just doesn't get to me.
And then I'll go home and turn on Turner Classic Movies and
watch something like "Brief Encounter" and you're
sort of giggling at it and how corny it is, and by the end of
the film there's a tear in your eye. But it works.
I find that people today are trying to
avoid that sort of emotion because they feel that it's too
silly, or too corny or whatever. I find that a lot of the
emotions are blunted in contemporary films. But then again,
that's just me, but I'm older now and I remember the older
movies and how they affected me.
W.O.F.:
What inspired you to start
your career?
GEORGE ROMERO: The desire to make
a movie! Yeah, we started out with this [Ingmar] Bergman-esque
film, sort of a coming-of-age film in the Middle Ages, and no
one wanted anything to do with it. Then I read "I Am
Legend" and adapted-– well, actually ripped off—the
first half and made it into "Night Of The Living
Dead." It was just a desire to make a movie!
W.O.F.:
At this stage, was it
important for you to get back into making movies with
independent financing?
GEORGE ROMERO: You know, that
wasn't the main thing. With my last film, Universal really
left me alone. I basically did "Diary" because I
wanted a vacation. I originally was going to make
"Diary" as part of a film school project. I was
going to make it at Full Sail, which is a film school in
Orlando, Florida, that I have lectured at from time to time
and taught a film class. I was going to go down there, man,
and hit up a couple of dentists for about a quarter of a
million dollars and make this film completely under the radar.
It was going to be a DVD release, if it
got released at all. I wanted to go down there, literally,
into it as a student project and see what happens. I was going
to roll the dice on that. And it's really only because I
wanted to reclaim whatever that energy was, you know, when I
was first starting to work and doing it with friends and doing
it for the love of it, because of what we wanted to do at the
time. I just want to reclaim that.
Art Fire read the script and asked me how
little I could do it for if it were to be released
theatrically. We carefully picked over it and didn't take a
dollar more than we needed. That was the trade-off for getting
control.
W.O.F.:
Is that why you used so
many Canadian actors?
GEORGE ROMERO: Yes, of course.
Getting a Canadian production together, there are tax credits
and tax breaks. And we just auditioned these people. They were
theatrical performers at Stratford in Canada, and I thought
that they were wonderful, really great actors.
W.O.F.: One of the
first lines of the film is "Dead things don't move
fast." I love that line. When you think
about it, it's sort of a comment on "28 Days Later"
and the fast-moving zombies. Now, with all of the remakes that
they're making from such series as "Friday The 13th"
and "A Nightmare On Elm Street," what is your take
on modern horror today?
GEORGE ROMERO: I have no
particular liking or disliking for any of it. I don't
understand the torture porn stuff. I mean, if somebody could
offer me a succinct explanation as to where all of this
cruelty comes from... There's a movie called "American
Nightmare," which is about some of us who were working in
the late '60s and early '70s, and it's that kind of political
and activist anchor that came out in the types of movies that
were being made at the time. But it was sort of explained that
those movies were about the destruction of the family unit, or
mistrust or whatever, or they have some sort of political
base. This torture porn stuff, man—if you're angry… I
personally don't understand something that is relentlessly
cruel which doesn't seem to point to anything else, so I'm not
into that.
W.O.F.:
Is there some correlation between what you talked about
in your film—with the Youtubes and MySpaces, you can see
anything online now. Has horror had to go beyond what it was
before this generation, and is that what folks Eli Roth
represents?
GEORGE ROMERO: Are you talking in
terms of gore?
W.O.F.:
Exactly. You can go on the
Internet and pretty much see anything you want, pretty graphic
stuff. Do you feel that "Hostel," "High
Tension" and movies like that have "up the
ante" to give the audience what they want?
GEORGE ROMERO: Yeah, possibly.
Definitely could be. I said before, I'm an old-fashioned guy.
I say, "Tell me a story while you're all to that level
and overcome the story."
W.O.F.:You had
trouble getting an even an "R" rating for "Dawn
Of The Dead" and "Day Of The Dead." Do you
think that "Dawn Of The Dead" would have skated
through were it made today?
GEORGE ROMERO: We didn't have any
trouble at all with My "Dawn Of The Dead." The
distributor decided to release it unrated so we never had any
arguments with the MPAA because it was never submitted. The
distributor was willing to release it without a rating. So I
sort of skated through that period. But "Land Of The
Dead" had to be an "R". So, I used some smoke
and mirrors to keep it less gruesome. But I've never had to
duke it out.
An old film that I made, called
"Martin," we had to make some cuts for the MPAA.
Ludicrous. Just ludicrous. The scene where he cuts the girl's
arm with a razor blade, they really nitpicked. They looked at
it and said that it was 23 frames. "Make it 17
frames." I mean, come on, like you don't
know what's happening? You go to save the sensitivity of young
kids who go to see it by trimming a few frames?
W.O.F.:You talked about anger.
What is it that makes you angry? That is one thing I will say
about this film, you really took out it out on the military.
GEORGE ROMERO: I've always been
after them, always after those boys. You know what really
makes me angry is that people just keep going on - I mean,
it's unbelievable, man. When people keep re-litigating
things—"let's relitigate Roe vs. Wade"— I mean,
come on give me a break. We've already been through that!
Nobody seems to learn. People still send in their last
dime to these phony televangelists.
W.O.F.:
You had more than one scene
where you really took to task the military in a certain light.
Was there a certain agenda there? Or was it just
the fact?
GEORGE ROMERO: I have used those
same themes pretty consistently throughout my career and
throughout all five of the films. I wasn't making any
particular point. In fact, I probably would've done it
differently by making there be no National Guards here at
home. Because they're all over there in Iraq!
W.O.F.:
Do you think that the human
race is worth saving?
GEORGE ROMERO: Well, that's my
biggest frustration, wondering are we worth saving? Jason,
the character in the film, thought that he could help by
documenting all of the carnage. And I do believe that he was
seriously misguided. He lost sight of his own survival and the
survival of everyone in his own crew. To me, it's just a
knee-jerk reaction that the female character makes in
wondering if we're worth saving or not.
W.O.F.:
You talked about the
violence in contemporary horror films, and even in this new
film of yours. How would you compare to the violence in your
previous zombie movies—was the violence and gore toned down
for this film?
GEORGE ROMERO: Yeah, well, you
know, it's probably pound for pound the same. It's just that
this time I'm shooting it from across the room. Greg Nicotero
was shooting second unit stuff on "Land of the Dead"
and the tendency is to go in for product shots.
"Diary" was all shot from across the room, and it
goes quickly and this time around the audience is just
observing it from a further distance away. That was a
conscious choice on my part.
I decided that these kids were not going
to go in for a close-up. And I found when we started to look
at dailies, that it was much more effective for me to see it
back from a distance in a single shot. We did have to do
several cuts later that were justified when they found a
second camera. And we did it that way to keep the film
grounded in reality, so to speak—to make it seem like this
is what it's really like to be these kids, if they found these
cameras and if they shot the way they did.
W.O.F.:
Since that was the idea,
did the actors and actresses have any improvisational input?
GEORGE ROMERO: It was always wide
open for them to do that. Some of the actors threw in their
own lines here and there, but there was nothing major. These
were theater people and they were pretty disciplined. There
were instances where there couldn't be room for improvisation.
You know, there's an eight-page shot where Deborah goes into
her house and runs all over the place. The camera has to
follow her pretty much all over the house, into the garage,
back into the house up the stairs, etc. and this'll have been
done in a single shot. So everybody needs to know where they
need to be.
W.O.F.:
I noticed there were a few
cameo appearances in "Diary"...
GEORGE ROMERO: When we started
shooting, the main objective was to get all of the principal
action in the can. And right down to the final moments of
working on the audio in the editing room, we needed to have
audio people yelling and screaming. At that time it was just
myself and two of the people in the editing room, and I knew
that we needed more than just our three voices played over and
over again! So I called Stephen King, and got a
bunch of other people such as Wes Craven, Simon Peyton,
Quentin Tarantino, Tom Savini, etc. It was great, because we
were able to do them all over the phone, because their voices
were being broadcasted over the radio in the film, and
fidelity wasn't a concern.
W.O.F.:
I understand that some of
the script was actually from an aborted "Resident
Evil" script you wrote. Is that true? At least it seems
some of the ideas were used here.
GEORGE ROMERO: I don't know where
that came from. I was hired to do a "Resident Evil"
script. I loved it, and I think that Capcom loved it. I was
working for the LA executives for a company called Constantine
and with the Capcom people. We all came up with a script that
we all liked a lot. At Constantine, there was one guy, the
chairman who runs it, and he made "Das Boot" and
"House Of The Spirits" and he had never seen or
played video games So after about a year and a half of working
on this thing, he simply said no.
W.O.F.:
So, no ideas were taken
from that.
GEORGE ROMERO: No, no. They own
that script. There may be similarities, because both films
deal with the type of contagion.
W.O.F.:
Your movies themselves are
just like your zombies; they seem to live forever. What do you
think is the secret to the popularity of your films?
GEORGE ROMERO: I don't know, I
wish I could tell you, and I would keep trying to do it. I
think if there's anything I can say, I never took a job, if
you know what I mean. I never did something just because it
was a job. And I really think that people notice that. I'm
never just going through the motions; I have genuine passion
for what I do. I think people like the fact that I'm doing for
me and it's something that I want to do, and not just working
for the Company, if you know what I mean. I think I also have
a maverick reputation because of that. I think that maybe it
has more to do with that than with the films themselves.
W.O.F.:
In "Night Of The
Living Dead," you made TV out to be a savior of sorts. In
"Dawn Of The Dead," you demonstrated how TV couldn't
be trusted in terms of the news getting out to people. In
"Diary," there seems to be a total cynicism about
the technology. Has the nature of television changed, or is it
because now it's all about selling, commercials, and getting
ratings? Do you think that due to the bombardment
of all this information it isn't necessarily truthful?
GEORGE ROMERO: I think that it's
more that than anything else, the bombardment of
information—the reading of so much of this information,
which isn't information at all. A lot of it is misinformation,
and sometimes even somebody's viewpoint or opinion. In
"Night Of The Living Dead," I never thought of the
TV as so much their savior, as it was just their connection to
the real world. In "Diary...," trying to make the
contrast that the mainstream is being controlled by somebody;
but the blogosphere has no end in sight. That doesn't
necessarily make it better as a result; it's just a lot of
random thoughts and a lot of noise.
W.O.F.: Will your next
film be a continuation of the zombie theme? Do you plan to
follow up this film with something similar?
GEORGE ROMERO: I don't know. If
there's a sequel to this film, it will be a direct sequel for
the first time. Other films that I have made are not direct
– you know, the characters aren't the same, but the
phenomenon goes on where the zombies are sort of evolving in
the first one. I could see doing a parallel development here
if there is another one. There is talk right now of doing a
sequel.
W.O.F.:
Where do you see the zombie
theme going from this point?
GEORGE ROMERO: I don't know. I
don't care. (Laughs) To me, the zombies are–-I love playing
with the idea of developing some—not intelligence, but
developing some more motor skills. Basically they’re working
with memory and being able to function.
W.O.F.:
Or reasoning perhaps?
GEORGE ROMERO: Well, I don't know
about reasoning, but at least being able to function. But
other than that, the zombies are just The Disaster, they don't
particularly represent anything—they could be a hurricane,
they could be an avalanche, or whatever. They are just The
Disaster that is out there, you know? My films
are about how the people cope with it, or how they fail to
cope with it. And that to me is the most interesting aspect of
it. The zombies are just always out there [mock fright and
laugh]... "There's this storm outside!"
W.O.F.:
Are there other offbeat avenues we are going to see from you
other than the living dead films?
GEORGE ROMERO: There are a couple
of other projects that I would like to see happen. There's a
project called "Diamond Dead" which I really loved.
Now it might be back. You just never know. There was a project
I was working on with Ed Harris called "The
Assassination." We were supposed to make it with Anthony
Quinn, but he died just before we started to shoot it.
W.O.F.:
You talked about your love
of the old films. Is there anything in the last 20 or 30 years
that really influenced you?
GEORGE ROMERO: Nothing that overshadows the old stuff.
The older stuff is the stuff that I really look at the most.
"Jaws" I watch for the editing, "The
Exorcist" I watch for the whole package, and it’s just
brilliant. But nothing that I've seen recently released [has
the impact] of the old stuff.
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